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	<title>Comments on: Marijuana Grow Houses – October 4, 2007 (Updated, with guest list)</title>
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		<title>By: kevpod</title>
		<link>http://humboldtreview.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/marijuana-grow-houses-%e2%80%93-october-4-2007/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>kevpod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the show, guest Ed Denson forwarded some comments via e-mail, which I just rediscovered and am posting, with his permission:

Hi Kevin,

Congrats again.  I took notes during the show &amp; had we had time enough ( like all night) and the people stayed on, I would have chased down a few things:

Fire Chief
	1. If its legal why hide it.  I think I got started on this, but between the law and the thieves it should be obvious
	2. No exotic fire alarms - I think this is a mistake that should be pointed out to people setting up indoors. They need alarms.
	3. Butane - Explosive danger should be pointed out to growers as well. Perhaps at point of purchase?
	4  People abandoning others in medical emergencies. Like? I thought this was a red herring. Then I heard that someone was found dead at the Best Western in Garberville &amp; wondered if he was thinking of this.  It sounds like something from the hard drug world, that, like an urban legend got attached to marijuana in the Chief&#039;s mind.
	
Elizabeth
	1. Does she ask renters about all their prescriptions for all substances? If not, she is probably in violation of the law however vehemently she denies it. If so, same result I&#039;m afraid. Medical privacy is a big deal. I don&#039;t think you can ask if prescribed before you know they are using. Does she check on other tenants handing around seditives etc?

	2. Has she ever read the Fed drug-free rules? I went over the drug free workplace act pretty throughly and it has no teeth, and makes few requirements on people getting funds. I find most people who explain they get federal funds are hiding anti-marijuana sentiments behind federal alibies. HSU is doing this and may be facing a law suit. She could be too (I have no idea if she is facing a suit, &amp; I don&#039;t know any of her renters). 

	3. Inspection is probably ok, if she&#039;s inspecting everyone. Looking at the electric bill, as she suggests, seems difficult to do without reading someone else&#039;s mail - a definite violation of law.
		a. No agricultural operations is probably bad language. It does have a no grows for money sound about it, but it is not very well stated. How about no growing for people who are not residents?  And of course no alterations.

	4. 215 patients are covered by the disabilities laws. She should ask her attorney about that.

	5. Housing units. I was really interested in the 7500 unit fact, and the breakdown. I though her 750 grow house estimate was a wild guess.
But the questions regarding housing and grows are these:
		a. How many single person grows (vs multiple)
		b. How many grows in inhabited units
		c. How many units devoted entirely to growing and thus unavailable for students.
		d. If 1000 or 750 units have come off the housing market why can&#039;t I raise the rent on the units I own in Eureka? Why should I ever have a vacancy.
		e. Is the university adding students to the area over the usual enrollment?

Jack Nelson  S/A

1.	99 plants hasn&#039;t been the law for years. Cops need a current education about medical mj law.
2.	1000 growhouses in Arcata. Says who? ie what&#039;s his source. See above
3	How many fake 215s has he found. Do they routinely verify 215s? Keep their own database of which ones they&#039;ve seen?
4.	Organized business using multiple houses? Like?  It seemed to me he mixed this up with &quot;Larger structures with diesel generators&quot; so it was difficul tto tell exactly what he was discussing.
5	Is Arcata typical of urban Humboldt in its growing indoors?
6	They got 300,000 plants and didn&#039;t get it all. How much (ballpark) didn&#039;t they get. What happens to it?

On the other hand Jack got tossed in at the last minute and probably wasn&#039;t really able to prepare as he would have liked to.

regards,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the show, guest Ed Denson forwarded some comments via e-mail, which I just rediscovered and am posting, with his permission:</p>
<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>Congrats again.  I took notes during the show &amp; had we had time enough ( like all night) and the people stayed on, I would have chased down a few things:</p>
<p>Fire Chief<br />
	1. If its legal why hide it.  I think I got started on this, but between the law and the thieves it should be obvious<br />
	2. No exotic fire alarms &#8211; I think this is a mistake that should be pointed out to people setting up indoors. They need alarms.<br />
	3. Butane &#8211; Explosive danger should be pointed out to growers as well. Perhaps at point of purchase?<br />
	4  People abandoning others in medical emergencies. Like? I thought this was a red herring. Then I heard that someone was found dead at the Best Western in Garberville &amp; wondered if he was thinking of this.  It sounds like something from the hard drug world, that, like an urban legend got attached to marijuana in the Chief&#8217;s mind.</p>
<p>Elizabeth<br />
	1. Does she ask renters about all their prescriptions for all substances? If not, she is probably in violation of the law however vehemently she denies it. If so, same result I&#8217;m afraid. Medical privacy is a big deal. I don&#8217;t think you can ask if prescribed before you know they are using. Does she check on other tenants handing around seditives etc?</p>
<p>	2. Has she ever read the Fed drug-free rules? I went over the drug free workplace act pretty throughly and it has no teeth, and makes few requirements on people getting funds. I find most people who explain they get federal funds are hiding anti-marijuana sentiments behind federal alibies. HSU is doing this and may be facing a law suit. She could be too (I have no idea if she is facing a suit, &amp; I don&#8217;t know any of her renters). </p>
<p>	3. Inspection is probably ok, if she&#8217;s inspecting everyone. Looking at the electric bill, as she suggests, seems difficult to do without reading someone else&#8217;s mail &#8211; a definite violation of law.<br />
		a. No agricultural operations is probably bad language. It does have a no grows for money sound about it, but it is not very well stated. How about no growing for people who are not residents?  And of course no alterations.</p>
<p>	4. 215 patients are covered by the disabilities laws. She should ask her attorney about that.</p>
<p>	5. Housing units. I was really interested in the 7500 unit fact, and the breakdown. I though her 750 grow house estimate was a wild guess.<br />
But the questions regarding housing and grows are these:<br />
		a. How many single person grows (vs multiple)<br />
		b. How many grows in inhabited units<br />
		c. How many units devoted entirely to growing and thus unavailable for students.<br />
		d. If 1000 or 750 units have come off the housing market why can&#8217;t I raise the rent on the units I own in Eureka? Why should I ever have a vacancy.<br />
		e. Is the university adding students to the area over the usual enrollment?</p>
<p>Jack Nelson  S/A</p>
<p>1.	99 plants hasn&#8217;t been the law for years. Cops need a current education about medical mj law.<br />
2.	1000 growhouses in Arcata. Says who? ie what&#8217;s his source. See above<br />
3	How many fake 215s has he found. Do they routinely verify 215s? Keep their own database of which ones they&#8217;ve seen?<br />
4.	Organized business using multiple houses? Like?  It seemed to me he mixed this up with &#8220;Larger structures with diesel generators&#8221; so it was difficul tto tell exactly what he was discussing.<br />
5	Is Arcata typical of urban Humboldt in its growing indoors?<br />
6	They got 300,000 plants and didn&#8217;t get it all. How much (ballpark) didn&#8217;t they get. What happens to it?</p>
<p>On the other hand Jack got tossed in at the last minute and probably wasn&#8217;t really able to prepare as he would have liked to.</p>
<p>regards,</p>
<p>ED</p>
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		<title>By: Ocirawia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ocirawia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grow marijuana legally for medical purposes...</description>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could&#039;ve filled at least two hours. Elizabeth had some fascinating points, and alot of people would like to hear what she has to say - and teach - about how to deal with this in crafting their leases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could&#8217;ve filled at least two hours. Elizabeth had some fascinating points, and alot of people would like to hear what she has to say &#8211; and teach &#8211; about how to deal with this in crafting their leases.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hoover</title>
		<link>http://humboldtreview.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/marijuana-grow-houses-%e2%80%93-october-4-2007/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we had had more time for the last three guests, Elizabeth, Ed and Mariellen. We were getting some good points made 55 minutes into the show. I think we would have gotten more phone calls, too.

How about those numbers? Two estimates of the number of homes used whole or in part for grows in Arcata: 750 and 1,000.

That was nice of the caller, Jay, to call me &quot;Hank.&quot; But I&#039;m just his scheming soundalike.

And there will be a podcast, as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we had had more time for the last three guests, Elizabeth, Ed and Mariellen. We were getting some good points made 55 minutes into the show. I think we would have gotten more phone calls, too.</p>
<p>How about those numbers? Two estimates of the number of homes used whole or in part for grows in Arcata: 750 and 1,000.</p>
<p>That was nice of the caller, Jay, to call me &#8220;Hank.&#8221; But I&#8217;m just his scheming soundalike.</p>
<p>And there will be a podcast, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion on the show, Kevin. I missed the first part, hope I can get the podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion on the show, Kevin. I missed the first part, hope I can get the podcast.</p>
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		<title>By: nerd10101</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerd10101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lolz he got caught.

Karma that is all I got to say.

Since I went to your page why don&#039;t you go to mine :D
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lolz he got caught.</p>
<p>Karma that is all I got to say.</p>
<p>Since I went to your page why don&#8217;t you go to mine <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Green Thumb &#187; Marijuana Grow Houses – October 4, 2007</title>
		<link>http://humboldtreview.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/marijuana-grow-houses-%e2%80%93-october-4-2007/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Thumb &#187; Marijuana Grow Houses – October 4, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Warren Howard wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptA back room in the house caught fire when a fan fell over, burning up and scorching many marijuana plants. But plants growing in several other rooms which had been converted to gardens were unscathed, and according to neighbors, &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Warren Howard wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptA back room in the house caught fire when a fan fell over, burning up and scorching many marijuana plants. But plants growing in several other rooms which had been converted to gardens were unscathed, and according to neighbors, &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kevpod</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevpod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken. Legal 215ers ought not, in theory, have anything to fear. And I know the Fire Department is perfectly willing to do the work, rather than have to put out a fire later. 

However, some grows aren&#039;t 215-friendly, and there are those more, let&#039;s say aggressive implementations of 215 that one might not want to invite anyone at all with a badge in to look at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken. Legal 215ers ought not, in theory, have anything to fear. And I know the Fire Department is perfectly willing to do the work, rather than have to put out a fire later. </p>
<p>However, some grows aren&#8217;t 215-friendly, and there are those more, let&#8217;s say aggressive implementations of 215 that one might not want to invite anyone at all with a badge in to look at.</p>
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		<title>By: mresquan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mresquan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My guess would be that they don’t trust the Fire Dept. not to narc them out to the police.&quot;

But if they were 215 permitted,it shouldn&#039;t matter if they were &quot;narced&quot; out,they&#039;re permitted to do so.But I guess some would be worried about the police stealing their stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My guess would be that they don’t trust the Fire Dept. not to narc them out to the police.&#8221;</p>
<p>But if they were 215 permitted,it shouldn&#8217;t matter if they were &#8220;narced&#8221; out,they&#8217;re permitted to do so.But I guess some would be worried about the police stealing their stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: kevpod</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevpod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess would be that they don&#039;t trust the Fire Dept. not to narc them out to the police. Especially with thousands of dollars and asset forfeiture staring them in the face. And especially if, on top of those not entirely preposterous concerns, one is smoking and maybe a wee bit paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess would be that they don&#8217;t trust the Fire Dept. not to narc them out to the police. Especially with thousands of dollars and asset forfeiture staring them in the face. And especially if, on top of those not entirely preposterous concerns, one is smoking and maybe a wee bit paranoid.</p>
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